02 ES 002 _ Infusing creativity and storytelling into your photography with Rafal Bojar
Rafal Bojar: What I discovered when, if you have an open mind and if you’re a curious, if you listen, if you watch something will happen, something will pop up is just a matter of how you will connect those things though. Those dots, you know,
Twyla Jones: welcome to episode two of the emotional storytelling podcast. I had the pleasure of meeting today’s guests Rafal Bojar three years ago, while teaching at a workshop, he hosted in the Azores
He also made a film for me and my family of our elopement that took place there along with shooting footage of us at our home in Florida to create the most unique haunting and emotive family story I think I’ve ever seen. It’s not only Rafal’s unique and emotive way of capturing his subjects that is so captivating, but also the methodical way he presents these stories is its own art form that I don’t see many, if any artists, putting much creative energy into.
So I’m really excited to share a little insight into his mind and process with you today. Let’s jump into Rafael’s episode.

Welcome. This is emotional storytelling, a podcast to support you in pursuing your passion, living more creatively and finding work-life balance all while growing and scaling your business.
I’m Twyla Jones, a photographer and educator based in South Florida. I created this podcast to share the stories and strategies of creatives and masterminds to inspire photographers, to live a more creative, productive, and balanced life. Each week. I’ll be sharing inspiring stories and practical advice to motivate you to keep showing up for yourself, live more creatively and enjoy the journey.
Thank you so much for being here today Rafal.
Rafal Bojar: Thank you so much, Twyla. And, it’s a real pleasure to be here and to share some of my thoughts and memories, even from our story. And it’s a real, pure pleasure to be here.
Twyla Jones: Yeah. Thank you so much. all right, well, I just want to jump right in.
So I think that you are such an incredible storyteller and I would love to hear more about how you are taking in inspiration from the world around you and turning that into such unique stories for your subjects over and over again. So what is your favorite source of inspiration and how are you processing that into something that feels brand new every single time?
Twyla Jones: It’s like the number one thing I have to know from you.
Rafal Bojar: that’s a really interesting question, actually. And at the same time,
very complicated for me to do. Explain, you know, in general, but if I would give like a few, the most important things, that I need for, to start any story is research. Research is 80% of everything I do. which means I try to prepare as much as I can before I will go. And, and I will shoot something, like a story. And, I always try to ask people to write me, their honest story about their life, things, about their relationship with the loved ones or with the parents family, with people that are, they are important somehow, in their lives.
And, and also I’m always trying to find some kind of conflict in those stories. So I’m asking them like, Hey guys, don’t write me only happy things about your life. Just write me everything. Maybe something happened to you in your past. That somehow changed your perspective or changed your life or changed your relationship?
in general, like what I need to have for any of my stories is conflict. Let me give you an example. Like when I was making a story for you and for your boys, you know, I was looking for a conflict, because the idea comes from the mask masks that you had, like all the guests on your ceremony had.
And it was just a weird idea, like the masks. And we thought he was going to be more like crazy, you know? And then I was thinking, yeah. And then I was thinking, actually they like all the grownups older people have. Masks, you know, like we don’t show who we are like to, to people only some of the people know us better, you know?
And I was thinking about it. A lot. And then you told me that you should come to the Florida, you should meet my sons and I was excited. And then one day I remember I said Hey, Twyla, what do Oscar and Ari like to do. And you said they love to tell stories. And I was like, curious, what does it mean?
So I remember that we were sitting and. And I said, Hey, Oscar, let’s just play. and I said, I knew your mom told me that you like to tell stories. And he said, yes, so let’s play. And he said, okay, but you’re first. And then I just started to tell him like a random story that they just come comes to my mind.
It was like about me, A long time ago, there was a huge giant that comes from the middle of nowhere and the middle of nowhere, it was called Paulette and he, one day he decided to cross the big water and to visit a little boy, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I said to Oscar, that’s your turn.
And he was like very excited and he just started to repeat what I just said, just even his own words. You know, he just, copied my story. But what I really love about Oscar is the way he was using his voice. And at that time I felt like it was bombs because I realized that I can connect this little boy. That I can connect this little boy, with this story and the masks, because for me, I realized that this little boy he’s like a child he’ll he loves to play.
he loves to have fun with Ari to run outside, chase the lizards, you know, jump into the swimming pool. And then I connected this, your story with myself, okay. I remember when I was young, I said to myself, I never want to grow up, you know, because it’s kinda like the life we’re going to sag.
I just want to play. And just you know, like leaving my magical world, let’s say, so actually, Story of monster is your story. And Ari story is also my story and it can be a story of everyone and that somehow when everyone needs to grow up, you know, and, the last sentence of the story is just that everyone is a monster, but you can choose what kind of monster you are. It can be a good monster, a bad monster. You know what I mean? So a lot of, ideas comes straight from people and what I just like what I discovered when, if you have an open mind and if you’re curious, if you listen, if you watch something will happen. Something will pop up, is just the matter of how you will connect those things, those dots, you know?
Twyla Jones: Yeah. I love that because I feel like there are so many artists, Basically telling the same story over and over again, you know, it feels more like a recipe.
They show up to, a photo shoot for someone and they are kind of, and it’s not much of a story. And that’s something that I also feel like how you’re looking for the conflict. just, you know, pictures of people being happy. Running around and kissing. I feel isn’t a very compelling story.
Right. And we see a lot of that over and over again. so I love how much you are personalizing it. And I think, and just having had the experience to be a part of that with you, you just feel more, I don’t know. I think connected to the stories that you are creating because they are so personal.

Yeah. So that was really great for us. And it was amazing also that you did come to Florida and, were able to connect the kids with that because they didn’t, they weren’t there for the elopement, but I think they were because of what you created, you know? So that was really amazing for us.
Twyla Jones: Yes. Yeah. They think that they went, they were so young at the time but yet you think that they were there. So another thing that I love about your work is that you create the most captivating, complex, yet simple animated images. So I would love to know what got you started with making, gifs and cinemagraphs and, incorporating those into your work?
Rafal Bojar: yeah, my adventure with figs and cinemagraphs and just moving pictures, started when I was just, taking photos. During the wedding or just during the stories. and somehow when I started to put those images in an order to show it on my blog and, I was missing things that I saw while I was shooting, you know, some kind of movements, some kind of, I remembered, for example, that light was playing little games on the wall, or there was a wind that was blowing leaves, or there was a rain that was falling down the window, et cetera, you know, and sometimes on the image, like on the stills it’s it’s really hard to show.
what I just saw. So I was thinking, what’s going to happen if I will just make a few stories and I will try to show it at least on my blog. and then I realized those stories. They started to live their lives. they were more real, more like I started to be more emotional about them while watching, them as well and other people, But mostly for me, it’s really important in general, like on my website, how I showed a story, how I, select the photos.
Like I, I have a rule that it’s just my words of explanation, but I love, the, the idea of that one photo or gif or whatever, like one by one. They are, they whisper, to themselves. Somehow they are connected. Even if you don’t see it right away, they somehow are connected with each other. So it’s the same with gifs.
I love to implement them to my stories because those stories can be more life, more real evoke emotions. Yep.
Twyla Jones: Yeah. And you really have such a unique way of displaying that the work that you are creating for others, I feel like it’s its own art form, your blogs, honestly. can you talk to us more about what goes into curating those images and, and I know that you just display them in such an intentional way.
Rafal Bojar: I, when I got,Twyla, it’s like this, my mental issue, blogging or in general creating stories. It doesn’t matter if it’s a blog or visual story. I can spend hours or sometimes days or even weeks. but there’s a thing I really love, you know, I really love to think.
I really love to connect the things that maybe while I was shooting something, I never even think that’s wow. I can connect them. And it actually looks even better than I would expect it, you know? So I love to, I have learned so many things so much, you know, by just playing with photos and with footage, you know, Also, it helped me to, to shoot better, when I was shooting like my future stories, you know, because I knew, okay, I made those mistakes.
I should have more of these or I should, it would be amazing if I would capture those kinds of stuff, blah, blah. You know, so it’s, it was it for me. it’s also like a learning process of, yeah, in general. So like my website, I build it like a custom website. It’s incredible.
Twyla Jones: I remember you were just talking about putting it together when you were here three years ago.
Rafal Bojar: Yeah. And it took like almost two years to finish it. Yeah, I was busy. The person who was making this, this website was busy, so it was really hard to, to finish it. But we finished it finally. And I really I’m really proud of this website. It shows my stories in a way that I always wanted to, to show.
Twyla Jones: Yeah, you just, I don’t know. Every time I look at your work, it blows me away because I feel like it’s so moving to me because a lot of times it is just these like really simple things, you know, like grass blowing in the wind, but then you also do this thing where you make it so complex, like it’s like “is that a quadruple exposure, but only one part is moving or there’s two parts moving??”
Like it just, I don’t know. It kind of blows my mind
Rafal Bojar: sometimes. Yeah. And yeah, by just playing with, for example, with gifs or cinemagraphs I discovered so many things that I don’t know. anyone is probably that yeah, people are doing it about not so many. Like for example, I started to make cinemagraphs from, from gifs, like normally for a cinemagraph You have to have, you should have a tripod, but I never travel with tripod because it’s.
Twyla Jones: I love how simple your gear set up is
Rafal Bojar: for gif. You just need your hands and you just need to be stable, you know? No, don’t breathe. Just capture series without movement, and then you can make a cinemagraph without tripod, which is amazing, you know?
yeah, so normally, like the purpose of this website is to give, experience. through those stories, not just to show, beautiful images, but to give some kind of experience, you know,
Twyla Jones: and I truly feel that you feel that when you’re on the website, like it’s, you know, I think some photographers websites Just feel like it’s set up for SEO. It’s set up for Google hits. It’s set up for traffic, but yours feels so personalized in that it’s it just feels like a gift for the visitor,
Rafal Bojar: Yeah. You know, Twyla that’s my lproblem. I always do opposite? Let’s say, you know, like the website I have recently with so many gifs and cinema-graphs or just you know, it’s not the best for SEO.
I know. I know that it’s not the best thing that you can do for your SEO but. I decided to sacrifice somehow SEO and to keep my vision on my website.
Twyla Jones: Yeah and i think that was absolutely the right call. I love like what a great example that is to have, you know, there are the rules that you learn and then once you know, those, you can break them, you know?
And I just think that your work is so exceptional that you don’t need an SEO optimized website because people want to come see it and your stories are so great also because I feel like you want to, it’s not just looking at them one time and then you’re finished.
Like you can go back and pick up new things and, you know, just read more into the story. I think the longer that you’ve look at, the work that you.
Rafal Bojar: Yeah. that’s why I spent so much time by building those stories on my blog because, I understand that people will not see everything right away, but some kind of stories, if you will start scrolling.
Then now again, and again, and you will see new whispers between them. And, it’s like stranger things. You can watch it 10 times and each time you enjoy it, even though you know how the story will end, you know?
Twyla Jones: Yeah. And in a different way. And I also back to what you were saying earlier, I love How there are often lessons to be learned from the stories that you tell. so yeah, you just create such a great experience for both, you know, your subjects that you’re photographing, but also just the people that you’re sharing these stories with.
Rafal Bojar: Yeah. And you know, that’s actually, that’s the problem there is some many people that. Know how to take amazing photos, but they have no idea how to make amazing stories.
Twyla Jones: Yeah. or compelling, you know, just anything that makes you want to spend some time with it. And also, Something that just kind of like sneaks into your brain, like later that, you know what I mean?
you’re going to continue thinking about it. It just kind of stays with you.
Rafal Bojar: Yeah. And we often invest more, too much money on equipment and not too much time to develop yourself and your voice and your story. See, now people often ask how to find your voice. I spent some time with your stories since you will find it’s probably sooner or later, you will definitely.
Twyla Jones: Yep. I absolutely agree.
All right. Well, switching gears a little bit, you are both a creator and an educator. What part of what you do do you find the most fulfilling.
Rafal Bojar: that’s a, that’s also a good question. You know, last year I have done a really amazing workshop in poland. And I did it like I would do my last workshop in my life because I wanted to give people also like an amazing experience. Not only to learn. Something new and be inspired, but also to have some time, for themselves or to meet and to know new people, to spend some time with them too.
Have a gong bath, therapy or yoga, or a gee Hora, and other things like live concerts every evening in a different place, different musicians, et cetera. It was a really amazing experience. And what I like. What I’m looking right now, the situations we are, people will need it even more, those kind of events, you know, because probably Coronavirus is very dangerous of course, but other things like people will need mental help after situation that we are in right now.
So as an educator, I always. If I have a chance, of course, I’m trying to show, for example, if it’s a workshop with a live session with a live shoot, I always try to show how this story would be if I were to be alone with my couple, you know, so. I love to invite musicians for,
Twyla Jones: I love that about you so much.
I felt like the workshop I was able to do with you, would not have been the same experience without them.
Rafal Bojar: Yeah, that’s true. Like I, in general, I love to keep some kind of surprises. Like I remember last year it was Norway and, probably people would think that Norwegian are kind of cold people let’s say in terms of emotions about what happened, it was completely opposite, very emotional people and very engaged.
And I found a couple, they were like 55 probably. And I was a little bit scared. I was literally scared Twyla, because I was thinking like, Oh my God, they could be my parents, like who I am would just show their relationship. You know, I’m just like a, young guy, still young guy, let’s say. Yeah. And yeah, but what I realized. That they are so open-minded and they were full of love and emotions. And, and so I, I decided like completely, out of no where this idea comes to my mind that I will make vow renewal instead of just a session. And the workshop was, happening. We’re having what’s happening in an antique store, like really.
Big one like a warehouse, you know, with low light. very old building and there was one big room. I dunno how to say it like a really big one, completely dark, but very beautiful, very dramatic. there was like a big tank, And there was like a door that it was full of bricks and it was completely closed.
And then I just close my eyes. And I just, imagine like making here, like a secret ceremony for this couple. And there’s going to be like a surprise also for the attendees, not only for the couple, but for the attendees. So we made like a small setup using some antiques from downstairs, and then we bought a lot of candles.
I. I found, an old woman that she, she was like, shamanic musician. She was playing like a flute and drum and other instruments. And we created not only me, but the people who helped me, we created an amazing environment for this couple. And when they came, they completely opened their hearts. In front of us and it was so magical.
And that’s why I love to educate people in this way to show them that even with small things, that doesn’t cost much, you can create something beautiful that will last, I don’t know, forever. Like this experience for this couple will last forever. You know, they will remember
Twyla Jones: I saw the couple posted some things like right after that experience that, I mean, they were just blown away.
Rafal Bojar: Yeah. And what Trumph said to me, like the guy that I led, I can count on him. if I have a problem or wherever, just let me know and I will be there for you. And that’s amazing review, or I don’t know how to say it like this, the most amazing award you can win right. from the people that we’ve captured, you know?
Twyla Jones: Yeah.
Rafal Bojar: So, so education is very important, but for me, Let’s say the real, like to show people the realness, connection with people you know is most important.
Twyla Jones: yes. I love that. I love that you’re putting so much thought into it because again, like when I look at the offerings from a lot of other people, you know, a lot of times it feels like the same workshop being had over and over again, just with different names slapped on it. People going to the same locations, photographing these people that look identical even. And again, just telling that same kind of like happy story. Whereas I think an experience with you, like you could never duplicate, like you’ll never be able to duplicate that experience again. And then the next one that you have to offer, I think is just going to be like as magical.
Rafal Bojar: Yeah, I love this sentence. I found it somewhere in the internet, but I’m really connected with those words. It’s like the sum of who we are is much more then we show and much more than we think of ourselves, our lights and shadows for a part of everything that pertains to us. for light to exist, you have to acknowledge darkness so that there can be a balance.
And I really love this sentence because like it’s. It’s like an old universe of my stories. I love to balance that the happy and the melancholy, part like, you know, in my story is like the lights and the shadows, you know, it’s not just, that it’s popular. Film Noir it’s for me, it’s more Yeah. Yeah.
Twyla Jones: Yeah. Okay. so right now, do you feel creatively satisfied?
Rafal Bojar: I’m never going to feel that way and I’m really satisfied of some of the, of the stories I did. And some of the stories, I, I know that I could do better, but, yeah, like it’s, I think it’s just a normal feeling that, when you, when we are learning, We know that we could do better, but, in general I’m really happy, but I’m also, I’m excited of what’s coming next.
You know, and this feeling is just Oh my God,
Twyla Jones: Rafal. I feel the same way when I sit here and think about where I was in my work was a year ago or two years ago or three years ago. It’s just, I feel like it makes me very excited for the future because just, you know, as a creative, like somebody telling stories, creating things like that, just the difference a year makes.
So what is it going to look like in a year? I think it just makes me excited
Rafal Bojar: That’s true and everything we watch everything we listen, everything we read, every thoughts we have. somehow they change our vision and they change the way we think the way we see the way we create our stories. So we are evolving like all the time.
Yeah. You know what I mean? and, yeah, I’m really, I’m, let’s say I’m half satisfied. I’m leaving this second half for the future. Okay.
Twyla Jones: Okay. So I would love to hear, and I know this might be a really hard question to answer, but I would love for you to describe your favorite image you’ve ever taken and to share the story behind it.
Rafal Bojar: Actually, I have a, let’s say few images that I really love. the one I really love because it gave me a new direction. I can follow during my stories and it makes me realize that I have to be open-minded all the time, even if I have great research. And I have an idea how to tell the story, I Always try to keep, my eyes, ears and mind open of what’s happening and what people are just trying to send me like the message. So for example, I had, I had a wedding in Iceland, Laura and Anton, and once we Arrived to the location that we were supposed to shoot, intimate session in the hot spring.
and just few minutes before lotta asked me, Hey, Rafal, you know what. I would like to cast a spell for my wedding and I would like to do it right now. And I was like, Oh, when does it mean to cast a spell? I didn’t even know what does it mean? You know? But I said Yes, please do. And if you don’t mind, I will just take some photos of it.
And she literally, when she was young, she, I think she studied ballot and modern dance. So she was like a dancer, when she was young and she’s also a really good writer. So she started to whisper words and she started to kind of dance with weird movements, but beautiful moments, you know, and it looks amazing.
And I would never think of asking Hey, could you please cast a spell? And I can just take some photos and, you know, like people they’re the best inspiration. you have to have an open mind and you have to, and people, they have to know that you are open-minded and that they can’t be shy or, you know, to tell you something, you know, and I love this image.
I can send you later if you like, or just show you. But I will never be able to pose someone In this way that it just happened once, you know? So that was one, one image. They, I really love the second image was, Martin and Nicola and we were shooting in Poland. It was an intimate photo, an intimate session in the sea let’s say they were completely naked.
There was a crazy weather and, And we experiment, with they were also dancers and I really love how this image, happens to us. But yeah, I love this image, but most of the, I think of all the image I took, I think that the casting spell was my favorite. Yeah.
Twyla Jones: Yeah. Yeah. That’s incredible.
And it just goes to show how valuable it is to take the time to talk with the people that you’re creating with like, let them be a part of that process and to listen.
Rafal Bojar: Yeah. But you know, like the behind this, the real behind the scenes of this image was I think three months before coming to Iceland or even four months before coming to Iceland, when we had the first conversation on Skype, when the, And actually the mother of bride sent me the inquiry.
it was new situation for me because I never had it before. And then I was talking with her and was she was really amazing person. And then we had a Skype call and Lara, I, first of all, I asked them, Hey guys, can you please tell me something about you? they were talking about, about themselves.
And then, when I listened to everything I said, Hey guys, I want to be just honest with you to give you, An idea of how I work or, and how I create my stores. and I said that something very honest, like about what’s important to me, like the human connection and the time that I spent with people, it’s not, that are just going somewhere to shoot them from 8:00 AM.
2:10 PM. that I love to spend some more time with them to be more like a family member or a best friend or someone that is also a part of this story, that I just don’t show up and, shoot and say, bye. You know, and yeah, every minute I was explaining the way I shoot the way I work. Like for some people, some kind of people Probably. It sounds weird. Oh my God, this guy wants to spend with us four days. Like why you know, crazy. but for some kind of people is very important and each minute I was explaining them, On Skype and seeing the faces and Lara from let’s say face without any emotions. And by the end, her smile was almost like her mouth was almost touching her ears, you know, like the smile was huge and she was excited and she was like, Oh my God, Rafal You are like me. And, And yeah. And building relationship with, with people I should it’s I think that’s the best thing I do because then when we go somewhere, they are not shy, they treat me like a friend, so they can be more intimate.
Twyla Jones: I love, I think something that I take away the most is that.
You’re not dictating these stories. They’re not, you know, really coming from you, you’re allowing the stories to be told. and I think that is really powerful and really helps, you know, connect the people that are in them to the art that you’re creating for them.
Rafal Bojar: Yeah,
Twyla Jones: that’s true. Yeah. And I also love that.
I mean, you spend so much time, you know, taking days sometimes to tell that story, but every single one of your stories is worth it. They’re not, you’re not creating art that, like I said before, it’s just consumed and forgotten, you know, or that’s just kind of like blurring into the feed of all the images that All look the same, you know, that, just that happy story that everybody seems to be telling. So, the time that you put into it, like if you’re doing something you’re making it worth doing.
Rafal Bojar: Yeah. Like every one of us has a different life, different principles, different, dreams. different problems sometimes, you know, different ways of showing stories.
this is my way of, of living and creating stories. Because my work, I don’t treat like photography or videography as, as my work for me, it’s my lifestyle more than that is the way I believe in certain things. And, It’s like I’m trying to live and to do whatever I feel. And at the same time to attract people and to earn some money, mainly to travel.
Twyla Jones: That’s huge though, thinking of it as a lifestyle,
Rafal Bojar: it’s completely like my life. And that’s what I really love that I can afford to, for example, to go to Asia and two don’t even touch my camera for two mounts and just to invest this time to live and to enjoy, to work out, to eat healthy, to meditate, to think about the future stores, et cetera.
It’s for me, it’s like my retreat, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
Twyla Jones: Yeah, I love that. Well, I would love to know, how I can share you with our listeners, so how they can learn from you. Do you have any, resources available online and then, I know the future is so uncertain that maybe anything that you’re planning in person.
Rafal Bojar: yeah, the future is there. it’s like a big questiomark, but, I will be making an online storytelling, probably, tutorial, workshop. I don’t know how to say it. Like mentoring. Yeah. Online with Sebastian nandryka, you know, Sebastian. So we will be making a get together. I love Sebastian mind. He’s really brilliant.
And, I also have gifs and cinemagraphs tutorial. If anyone wants to watch it feel free.
Twyla Jones: Well, I think that what is exceptional about yours is there are lots of people teaching that and you can also, you know, Google and look up how to create them, but not in the way that you do it.
Rafal Bojar: Yeah.
And you know, like with online courses, I love them so much about what we just talked about. Like for my kind of vision and the stories I do, I will have to find a way how I can show and give people experience through those, tutorials or masterclasses or whatever. So maybe in the future I will develop or find a way to show it somehow, you know,

Twyla Jones: nothing will compare to being in your presence, watching you create
Rafal Bojar: for sure. If I will ever come to, the us to make, workshop, I would love to do it in Joshua tree. if it’s going to happen, it’s going to happen there for sure.
Twyla Jones: Yeah. Great. I love that place. I did a workshop there I think last year.
And so I’ve been there a lot and it’s usually just sunny. I was there and we had the most crazy weather, like one day, it was just a thick
sheet of fog. And I don’t think I’ve ever experienced Joshua tree. Any more magical than that trip, like that day with all of the fog and then literally rainbow, we woke up every morning to a rainbow.
Rafal Bojar: Wow. Do you know what, the thing that I really love about Joshua tree and I can’t explain it with words, but once I get there, I felt energy. In this place, but they get the energy that I never experienced in any other place. In any other place in, in the world, this place have something weird happening there in a good way. Yeah. Yeah. It’s amazing.
Twyla Jones: Yeah. All right. Well, I’m going to come with you.
Rafal Bojar: You’re going to be the first one. Okay. Good. Thank you.
Twyla Jones: okay, well, I have one last question and, we kind of asked this one to everyone, but who do you think we should interview next
Rafal Bojar: next? it should be, only a photographer videographer, or it can be anybody. Wow. I think you would love to listen Lina.
Twyla Jones: Okay.
Rafal Bojar: She is the most brilliant person on the earth in terms of writing words about love, about relationships, about those kinds of stuff. And also she is also giving her voice over for those narrate lyrics and animations, she, you can find her on Spotify and I will send you the link and you will fall in love.
I mean, when I discovered her song that is called love letter. I was completely blown away about the words that she put, Oh my God. And I, and she is also a medium.
Twyla Jones: Oh yeah.
Rafal Bojar: She is a very Interesting person. She lives in the UK in London and now she’s, She now she is helping me with one of the stories that I’m creating about the universe.
And I think she will be very interesting person to interview.
Twyla Jones: Amazing. I can’t wait to speak with her. I hope that she’ll agree. that was the most perfect suggestion. Exactly who I want to talk to right now.
Twyla Jones: Yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for taking the time and sharing so much of yourself.
I feel like every time I speak with you or I’m around you, it’s just transformative in some way. so this was really good for me too. If nobody ever, if no one else ever listened to it, it was really great for me.
Rafal Bojar: Thank you so much, Twyla. And it was a pure pleasure to talk with you. And I really hope to see you when the situation will be better in Joshua tree.
Let’s meet there.

Twyla Jones: Yeah. come to Florida. We’ll go to Joshua tree together.
Rafal Bojar: I remember when Gary had told me that one day we’re gonna take a boat and then we’re gonna go to Bahamas. I remember we have to do it.
Twyla Jones: Yeah, we are ready for you. We will do it. Oh. And I wanted, let everyone know this all this information will be in the show notes that your website
Rafal Bojar right now main website is rafalbojar.com So that’s my main website right now.
Twyla Jones: Okay. And then, to find you on Instagram
Rafal Bojar: and Instagram, it’s, onestoryhero, without any spaces written together one story.
Okay.
Twyla Jones: Perfect. All right. Thank you so much.
Rafal Bojar: Thank you so much.
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